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Oh, great.

February 10th, 2010 (11:03 am)

Is it now going to become some edgy leftist thing to call people "retards?"

I don't like it.

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Posted by: MG Ellington (xjenavivex)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:04 pm (UTC)

asshats

Posted by: Debra (lady_mishegas)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:12 pm (UTC)
elvira

Yeh, that's EDGY all right. *Rolls eyes.*

Do you have a link? I can snark about it (feel free to join me) on my "not using the word "retarded" as an insult" fan page on FB.

Edited at 2010-02-10 05:13 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:28 pm (UTC)

Sadly, I have two, and both seem to be responding to Palin objecting to the word. Palin objects! It must be good:

http://www.whiterabbitcult.com/retards-what-teabagger-signs-say-vs-what-they-mean/

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/264042/february-08-2010/sarah-palin-uses-a-hand-o-prompter

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:33 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Debra (lady_mishegas)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:48 pm (UTC)

Posted by: matastas (matastas)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 10:30 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Michael Damian Thomas (michaeldthomas)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:18 pm (UTC)

I turned off The Daily Show when Louis Black started to go that way. Sarah Palin is an idiot who latched onto the retard-usage issue to serve own political agenda, but that doesn't mean she's wrong.

Am I the only person who remembers the kids with cognitive disabilities getting taunted with the word retard at school?

This is not cool.

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:29 pm (UTC)
ashamed

Palin then defended Rush Limbaugh for using it, claiming he was using "satire," and Colbert then called HER a retard. It's spreading like wildfire. yay.

Posted by: Michael Damian Thomas (michaeldthomas)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:38 pm (UTC)

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Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 13th, 2010 02:31 pm (UTC)

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Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 15th, 2010 12:24 am (UTC)

Posted by: Trouble (ccjohn)
Posted at: February 11th, 2010 02:55 am (UTC)
yay -- doublethink!

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 11th, 2010 06:06 am (UTC)
Re: yay -- doublethink!

Posted by: Trouble (troubleinchina)
Posted at: February 13th, 2010 04:08 am (UTC)

Posted by: jalendavi_lady (jalendavi_lady)
Posted at: February 13th, 2010 06:42 am (UTC)

Posted by: Hobbit catgirl in leather boots and wicked smile (kitrona)
Posted at: February 19th, 2010 07:34 am (UTC)

Posted by: jalendavi_lady (jalendavi_lady)
Posted at: February 13th, 2010 06:39 am (UTC)

Posted by: jalendavi_lady (jalendavi_lady)
Posted at: February 13th, 2010 06:43 am (UTC)

Posted by: Your black and white needs a little bit of red. (lightningxsnow)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:46 pm (UTC)
sam the eagle - dunno source

Sam the Eagle speaks the truth.

It's ridiculous.

Posted by: Jessie (orbitalmechanic)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:48 pm (UTC)

OMG that's so totally lame.

(I can't write that without a big IRONY!! IRONY!! sign beneath it, even though I know you'd get it.)

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:56 pm (UTC)

I would get it, since I know you, but others reading it might not, and tone of voice is so hard to convey online. Smart of you to explain, but makes it less fun for you, I'm guessing.

Posted by: Jessie (orbitalmechanic)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:59 pm (UTC)

Posted by: balgar (balgar)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:56 pm (UTC)

Is the term "mentally retarded" still used? Outside of its use as an insult, I mean?

I was going to argue that the concept of retardation has a general meaning -- as in, "the moral retardation of the American conservative," for example -- but I suppose that general meaning isn't generally intended.

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:58 pm (UTC)

It's still on the books, and there are too many people who still remember being taunted with the word and hit for it to have been generalized like the word "idiot," which used to be clinical, too.

Posted by: balgar (balgar)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 05:59 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Doug Hulick / Simon Morcar (swords_and_pens)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 06:01 pm (UTC)

Posted by: balgar (balgar)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 06:02 pm (UTC)

Posted by: nightshade1972 (nightshade1972)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 06:10 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Jessie (orbitalmechanic)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 06:01 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 06:06 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Cody B. (codeman38)
Posted at: February 13th, 2010 07:01 am (UTC)

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 06:00 pm (UTC)

I read a really upsetting account recently of a man with Downs who flinches whenever he hears it, expecting to be hit, and I still remember vividly that kids used to taunt Barbie Fagin with it on the playground who was not, actually, cognitively delayed, but was autistic. But it was definitely about her disability, no question.

Posted by: nightshade1972 (nightshade1972)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 06:12 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Cody B. (codeman38)
Posted at: February 13th, 2010 06:51 am (UTC)

Posted by: The Empress of Ice Cream (icecreamempress)
Posted at: February 12th, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC)

Yes, there are still advocacy and care organizations with the word in their names.

Posted by: geniusofevil (geniusofevil)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 06:08 pm (UTC)

you are leaving yourself so wide open now. Did you see the snl skit? If not, here:

http://jezebel.com/5466099/snl-rahm-emanuel-apologizes-and-the-best-band-ever-reunites

you have to scroll down

Posted by: I'm nobody! Who are you? (capriuni)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 06:11 pm (UTC)
no

Ugh. Not by this leftist, it won't.

You know, I woke up this morning, with a vague disapointment and sadness that the liberal / progressive movements seem to fail so badly at issues surrounding disabilty rights, while the conservative / right wing movements seem mostly to use it as a springboard to argue against a woman's right to reproductive choice.

I don't have cable, so I missed the whole Daily Show spin on it. But maybe I picked it up telepathically, through the air.

Posted by: Kate (juliansinger)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 06:53 pm (UTC)

I really really /really/ don't like it.

It's sort of like calling things gay. (I mean, things that aren't gay. In a negative way. You know. Sort of thing.)

Posted by: Jackie Wones (little_octagon)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 07:13 pm (UTC)
Schlitzie

I could see it if, say, one cognitively impaired person was saying that to another cognitively impaired person eg, "Yo, retard! Whassup?"

Otherwise, nope.

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 07:16 pm (UTC)

Do you know what they call each other in Britain, at least according to my ouch podcast?

"Learnies," as a reference to "learning disabled."

I love that.

Posted by: Jackie Wones (little_octagon)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 07:42 pm (UTC)

Posted by: MsWildthyme (yuxonomei)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 09:10 pm (UTC)

Posted by: MsWildthyme (yuxonomei)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 09:15 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 09:22 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Jesse the K (jesse_the_k)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 11:10 pm (UTC)

Posted by: MsWildthyme (yuxonomei)
Posted at: February 10th, 2010 09:12 pm (UTC)

They've banned a whole slew of words over at the Doctor Who anon meme; moron, idiot, cretin etc. Someone posted a link to Disabled Feminists about such words. Cue many BAWWWWWWs at the oh so PC-ness of it all.

Posted by: Trouble (troubleinchina)
Posted at: February 13th, 2010 04:10 am (UTC)

Oh. That's why we're getting a bunch of shirty comments on those posts again.

Posted by: Trouble (ccjohn)
Posted at: February 11th, 2010 02:39 am (UTC)

I'm staying out of it, but the day they outlaw "retard" the entire State of Massachusetts will collapse. It lost any meaning so many years ago I can't remember. It's like "wicked." It's like "bizaahh." It's like "pissah." They're not even words. If you asked a Massachusetts kid what retard even means, swear to God, he couldn't tell you.

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 11th, 2010 06:04 am (UTC)

Ask a Massachusetts kid with Downs what it means. He could tell you.

I don't give a shit about the other kids; I care about the one with Downs, and the adults with it who flinch when they hear it, expecting to be hit.

Edited at 2010-02-11 06:04 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kao (kaowolfie)
Posted at: February 16th, 2010 07:36 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Hobbit catgirl in leather boots and wicked smile (kitrona)
Posted at: February 19th, 2010 07:29 am (UTC)

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 19th, 2010 03:20 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Kao (kaowolfie)
Posted at: February 19th, 2010 10:25 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Haddayr Copley-Woods (haddayr)
Posted at: February 11th, 2010 06:05 am (UTC)

Posted by: jasondwittman (jasondwittman)
Posted at: February 11th, 2010 04:09 pm (UTC)
haunted

The thing is, any word can become a derogatory term. I remember reading one line in Steinbeck's _The Grapes of Wrath_: "'Okie' used to mean you were from Oklahoma. Now it means you're a no-good sonofabitch." Mean-spirited people (and thoughtless ones who aren't even targeting the ones they hurt) will find ways to hurt others regardless of what is done to the lexicon. I can easily envision the term "special needs" being used as an insult. It's a never-ending battle.

Posted by: The Empress of Ice Cream (icecreamempress)
Posted at: February 12th, 2010 09:10 pm (UTC)

But it's a worthwhile battle.

It's really not that difficult to express disgust with someone's actions without comparing them to a person living with intellectual disabilities.

One could call the action "ridiculous" or "egregious" or "asshatted" or "failtastic" or any number of other words that don't use current or former descriptors of neurological variance.

Posted by: Sasha_feather (sasha_feather)
Posted at: February 13th, 2010 04:00 am (UTC)

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Edited at 2010-02-13 04:06 am (UTC)

Posted by: Cody B. (codeman38)
Posted at: February 13th, 2010 06:48 am (UTC)
get it together

I used to be a huge fan of Lewis Black.

Suffice it to say, I've seriously had second thoughts after Monday's Daily Show. My own brain was doing the "if it weren't for my horse" thing after that.

(Seriously, it wasn't even logically consistent with itself! You can't say "oh, that word no longer refers to people with intellectual disabilities" after making a joke which is entirely predicated on the term referring to intellectual disabilities!)

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