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Is it now going to become some edgy leftist thing to call people "retards?"I don't like it.
Yeh, that's EDGY all right. *Rolls eyes.*Do you have a link? I can snark about it (feel free to join me) on my "not using the word "retarded" as an insult" fan page on FB.Edited at 2010-02-10 05:13 pm (UTC)
Sadly, I have two, and both seem to be responding to Palin objecting to the word. Palin objects! It must be good:http://www.whiterabbitcult.com/retards-what-teabagger-signs-say-vs-what-they-mean/http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/264042/february-08-2010/sarah-palin-uses-a-hand-o-prompter
Oh, yes, and this one:http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-8-2010/back-in-black---the-r-word
I turned off The Daily Show when Louis Black started to go that way. Sarah Palin is an idiot who latched onto the retard-usage issue to serve own political agenda, but that doesn't mean she's wrong. Am I the only person who remembers the kids with cognitive disabilities getting taunted with the word retard at school? This is not cool.
Palin then defended Rush Limbaugh for using it, claiming he was using "satire," and Colbert then called HER a retard. It's spreading like wildfire. yay.
Sam the Eagle speaks the truth.It's ridiculous.
OMG that's so totally lame.(I can't write that without a big IRONY!! IRONY!! sign beneath it, even though I know you'd get it.)
I would get it, since I know you, but others reading it might not, and tone of voice is so hard to convey online. Smart of you to explain, but makes it less fun for you, I'm guessing.
Is the term "mentally retarded" still used? Outside of its use as an insult, I mean? I was going to argue that the concept of retardation has a general meaning -- as in, "the moral retardation of the American conservative," for example -- but I suppose that general meaning isn't generally intended.
It's still on the books, and there are too many people who still remember being taunted with the word and hit for it to have been generalized like the word "idiot," which used to be clinical, too.
I read a really upsetting account recently of a man with Downs who flinches whenever he hears it, expecting to be hit, and I still remember vividly that kids used to taunt Barbie Fagin with it on the playground who was not, actually, cognitively delayed, but was autistic. But it was definitely about her disability, no question.
you are leaving yourself so wide open now. Did you see the snl skit? If not, here:http://jezebel.com/5466099/snl-rahm-emanuel-apologizes-and-the-best-band-ever-reunitesyou have to scroll down
Ugh. Not by this leftist, it won't.You know, I woke up this morning, with a vague disapointment and sadness that the liberal / progressive movements seem to fail so badly at issues surrounding disabilty rights, while the conservative / right wing movements seem mostly to use it as a springboard to argue against a woman's right to reproductive choice.I don't have cable, so I missed the whole Daily Show spin on it. But maybe I picked it up telepathically, through the air.
I really really /really/ don't like it.It's sort of like calling things gay. (I mean, things that aren't gay. In a negative way. You know. Sort of thing.)
I could see it if, say, one cognitively impaired person was saying that to another cognitively impaired person eg, "Yo, retard! Whassup?" Otherwise, nope.
Do you know what they call each other in Britain, at least according to my ouch podcast?"Learnies," as a reference to "learning disabled."I love that.
They've banned a whole slew of words over at the Doctor Who anon meme; moron, idiot, cretin etc. Someone posted a link to Disabled Feminists about such words. Cue many BAWWWWWWs at the oh so PC-ness of it all.
Oh. That's why we're getting a bunch of shirty comments on those posts again.
I'm staying out of it, but the day they outlaw "retard" the entire State of Massachusetts will collapse. It lost any meaning so many years ago I can't remember. It's like "wicked." It's like "bizaahh." It's like "pissah." They're not even words. If you asked a Massachusetts kid what retard even means, swear to God, he couldn't tell you.
Ask a Massachusetts kid with Downs what it means. He could tell you.I don't give a shit about the other kids; I care about the one with Downs, and the adults with it who flinch when they hear it, expecting to be hit.Edited at 2010-02-11 06:04 am (UTC)
The thing is, any word can become a derogatory term. I remember reading one line in Steinbeck's _The Grapes of Wrath_: "'Okie' used to mean you were from Oklahoma. Now it means you're a no-good sonofabitch." Mean-spirited people (and thoughtless ones who aren't even targeting the ones they hurt) will find ways to hurt others regardless of what is done to the lexicon. I can easily envision the term "special needs" being used as an insult. It's a never-ending battle.
But it's a worthwhile battle.It's really not that difficult to express disgust with someone's actions without comparing them to a person living with intellectual disabilities.One could call the action "ridiculous" or "egregious" or "asshatted" or "failtastic" or any number of other words that don't use current or former descriptors of neurological variance.
This post has been included in a link round-up at access_fandom. Thank you!Edited at 2010-02-13 04:06 am (UTC)
I used to be a huge fan of Lewis Black.Suffice it to say, I've seriously had second thoughts after Monday's Daily Show. My own brain was doing the "if it weren't for my horse" thing after that.(Seriously, it wasn't even logically consistent with itself! You can't say "oh, that word no longer refers to people with intellectual disabilities" after making a joke which is entirely predicated on the term referring to intellectual disabilities!)