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My understanding of (part of) your argument way upthread is that these anti-immigrant types are to ridiculed because they do not represent or understand American culture:

sallytuppence: Yargh!!! And what the hell is 'traditional American culture'?

haddayr: You know: banjos, clogging, union organizing, that sort of thing. I'm sure all those folks know ALL about traditional American culture.

And later:

balgar: Exactly! America for American racists! My point is that you don't fight guys like this by referring to American tradition. People like that are a lot more traditional in America than people like you. The roots of American bigotry are as deep as any other growth. I suppose you could argue that there are competing American traditions.

haddayr: Oh, no you don't, brutha. I'm willing to concede racism is _as_ American as clogging, but not _more._ People like that are a lot more traditional in America than people like me? Honey, my family has been here since at least 100 years before the Revolution. I'm not handing my traditionalism over to a bunch of hoohahs. I AM America, whether they like it or not.

First of all, I did not understand the initial comment about clogging as being purely a witticism. I assume you chose those three things for a reason. Of course, union organizing in particular is much less new than racism -- way, way, way less new.

The fact is that when racist nutballs like this talk about defending an American tradition, they are absolutely right. If you want to talk about how disgusting and backward they are, you can't do it from the perspective of tradition, because they are as traditional as whatever positive threads there are in American tradition.

The reason your ancestors' racism is relevant is that you proposed that racist yahoos are not more traditional than you because your family has been in the country so long. I am saying, well, since your family was probably racist in 1642, doesn't that make your family, historically, part of the tradition that these goofballs want to uphold?

In fact, reference to tradition does neither side any good in the debate over immigration. Racism and xenophobia are longstanding American traditions; that does not make them wrong or right. There are other traditional American practices that are more positive. Your side can't argue that the yahoos are unamerican, because they are completely American. If you want to oppose these clowns, tradition can have nothing to do with it.

What I object to is the idea that somehow American tradition speaks against people like this. American tradition does no such thing. Posing a counter-tradition does not make them any less traditional. They are assholes, but not because they don't understand American tradition. American tradition would seem to dictate that only wealthy white men can participate fully in American society. Opposition to this idea is very new and ran, still runs, completely counter to American tradition.

My position is that the problem lies ultimately with the privileging of tradition.